Religion???

[Fast Eddie]

So fuck it lets get some debates going on here...

[tomciz]

<<<<< super christian

[Fast Eddie]

my beliefs are very laid back and non religious however i consider myself quite spiritual. mor epower to anyone who finds guidance thru religion, if it helps u be who u want to be or succeed then good for you. me personally i have trouble believing it all.

[Miss Russia]

christian orthodox... straight from motha fuckin russia

[sugarbabe2]

im a spiritaul person.....not into one religion.

[tomciz]

miss russia knows about my crazy religiousness lol

[ArGroxwel]

lol

[Miss Russia]

miss russia knows about my crazy religiousness lol

it's cool hunny bunny lol

[dolcecorazon]

Born and Raised Catholic, believe in most of what I was taught. Some of the things are kinda off for me. I'd like to finish my sacraments, but I am also very spiritual and open in learning about other religions. I love meditation, my grandma was a santera... lol I believe in the chakras, past lives. I'm a bit all over the place :smile:

[Miss Russia]

Born and Raised Catholic, believe in most of what I was taught. Some of the things are kinda off for me. I'd like to finish my sacraments, but I am also very spiritual and open in learning about other religions. I love meditation, my grandma was a santera... lol I believe in the chakras, past lives. I'm a bit all over the place :smile:

i hear a lot of things are kinda off in a catholic bible lmao

[Mr_Tooch]

http://www.temple420.org/

[Miss Russia]

what the hell tooch lol

[Mr_Tooch]

ahahahaha. i saw it on super high me last night

[TittiesPendergast]

I believe in a higher power. Not a particular religion though.

[Dropkick]

I believe in god and all that he does and has done, but I don't believe in having to go to church or tie myself down to any specific religion. Churches are just a popularity contest like high school, and so many people are fake.

[tomciz]

im curious to see other ppls stands bump for more votess

[~Frankie~]

O'm Roman Catholic very religious but my church doesn't like me because I threw a fit when they wouldn't let the organist play there anymore because he's gay. The bible says to love thy brothers and sisters and that's what I do biatches. The priests don't like when I put them in their place! LOL

And they don't like the fact that I come from a line of psychic mediums and yes I see dead people! LOL

[Fast Eddie]

YouTube - Doug Stanhope "You make your own christianity"

[Miss Russia]

And they don't like the fact that I come from a line of psychic mediums and yes I see dead people! LOL[/quote]

do you really?? lol

[Skylab]

i hear a lot of things are kinda off in a catholic bible lmao

as with any other religion.

[tomciz]

catholics have it extra interesting though they act like they follow the bible but change some very major shit in it..but honestly if it works for u do it who cares but exploring it for urself is important

[Skylab]

but honestly if it works for u do it who cares but exploring it for urself is important

i wish more religious folks acted like this. respecting other religions.

[tomciz]

this is how i look at it.....any religion has many holes in it if u try to look at them with logic and prove them right or wrong or whatever......religion is a spiritual thing its about feelings and beliefs and having faith all senses that dont exactly go with logic....so trying to use logic on a spiritual thing will always not work....i think humans have 3 planes of existance....mental physical and spiritual....so like even when ill hear the best arguement with logic and stuff against my own religion and disproving god ...my spiritual side is unaffected because i dont think the two can be mixed

[Miss Russia]

i think humans have 3 planes of existance....mental physical and spiritual....

right on tommy

[~Frankie~]

do you really?? lol

Yes I do!!! LOL


as with any other religion.

This is true...every religion thinks they got it all right...they fail to forget that it's all man made and man is nowhere near perfect thus neither is religion.


catholics have it extra interesting though they act like they follow the bible but change some very major shit in it..but honestly if it works for u do it who cares but exploring it for urself is important

HUH?? I'm cofufled...what are you referring too?


i wish more religious folks acted like this. respecting other religions.

I respect and love all religions. My friends are all different religions and one day we were just talking about religion and came to the conclusion that in the end they're all really the same...we just have different ways of celebrating our religions/Gods.



I really think all religions are flawed in one way or another...no offense to anyone...I think mine is majorly flawed too.

I also just loveeeeeee how people talk about how they're so religious and then adjust things to please them. i.e. Mel Gibson won't divorce his wife because he's Catholic and it's against our religion but he will have an affair. Makes me want to kick him in the nuts what a hypocrite!

Mind you religions do it too....i.e. the vatican refused to give a man a catholic funeral because he committed suicide and it's against our religion but gave one to Pavarotti even though he was divorced and cheated on his wife. Same shit different day. This is the ammo I use to set priests straight who piss me off! LOL

[tomciz]

everyone can be looked at as a hypocrite if u try hard enough...but really i think organized religion is in the most trouble because of the way they present there information and just say this is how it is no matter what and dont leave an open mind to realize that things can be looked at or interpreted differently...im a believer on just finding ur own path by seeing whats out there...frankie i pmed u a more in depth response

[Miss Russia]

agreed girl. but wow, yeah i know mad people that see/saw ghosts and shit, my mom being one of them haha crazy, never did see one but heard it allll the time in my old house, doors closing on me, banging on the walls, running around the house, shit was INSANE. we checked who lived in our house before and it was some dude that killed himself. i hope i never do see one :eek:

[~Frankie~]

everyone can be looked at as a hypocrite if u try hard enough...but really i think organized religion is in the most trouble because of the way they present there information and just say this is how it is no matter what and dont leave an open mind to realize that things can be looked at or interpreted differently...im a believer on just finding ur own path by seeing whats out there...frankie i pmed u a more in depth response

WORD!!! I'm a horrible catholic and you'll see why in my response.

For those who are curious...personally I think the Vatican is corrupt and religion needs an update.


agreed girl. but wow, yeah i know mad people that see/saw ghosts and shit, my mom being one of them haha crazy, never did see one but heard it allll the time in my old house, doors closing on me, banging on the walls, running around the house, shit was INSANE. we checked who lived in our house before and it was some dude that killed himself. i hope i never do see one :eek:

It was scary when I was a kid and didn't understand/know what was going on. The hardest part was knowing things before they'd happen. Now that I'm old and wise I can block it out.

[dolcecorazon]

Frankie, the women in my family are psychic mediums too. Not that we are FULL BLOWN psychics, but the line of women starting from my great grandmother have something. My grandma did santeria and was hard core Roman Catholic, so yeah we break the mold lol.

I forgot to quote it, but I think katie said- its about mental, spiritual and physical- right on.

[dolcecorazon]

i wish more religious folks acted like this. respecting other religions.

Agreed! If I could rep you I would, but I have to spread it around before I give it to you again... thats what it tells me :rofl

I would love to study buddhism and meditate in the temples of India, and I would not feel like I am disrespecting my own religion.

In the prayer book, you know the thing with the stories @ church (Roman Catholic) that gets changed every week, the last page has a creed for our beliefs. It says that as Roman Catholics, we respect, honor and love people from other religions and we pray for them and hope that in their own way, they find their way to heaven with God. We also pray for those who do not believe in God as well. So that part is pretty down with me.

[~Frankie~]

Frankie, the women in my family are psychic mediums too. Not that we are FULL BLOWN psychics, but the line of women starting from my great grandmother have something. My grandma did santeria and was hard core Roman Catholic, so yeah we break the mold lol.

I forgot to quote it, but I think katie said- its about mental, spiritual and physical- right on.

I believe everyone has the power just some are better at tapping into it by themselves than others are.

[Fast Eddie]

can u read me, what am i thinking right now?

[~Frankie~]

can u read me, what am i thinking right now?

I don't read minds!! LOL

[Fast Eddie]

thats EXACXTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[dolcecorazon]

I believe everyone has the power just some are better at tapping into it by themselves than others are.

Yes! I absolutely agree with that!

[Miss Russia]

i read minds, a lot of times actually. not a big deal. not like ooooh i can read what you're thinking but yes a lot of times i say what the person is about to say or is thinking. i just know, not sure how or why. like today i texted my boy cuz i felt something bad happened, and i kept feeling it had to do with a car crash, so i got nervous and asked if he was ok, he was, but his friend hydroplaned and split her car in half and burned up, so he was in the hospital with her. shit like that happenes to me aaall the time. it's very weird.

[Miss Russia]

It was scary when I was a kid and didn't understand/know what was going on. The hardest part was knowing things before they'd happen. Now that I'm old and wise I can block it out.[/quote]

yeah i've heard people tell me they can just block it out, but how? and what exactly happens when you see them, this guy once told me they try to talk to him, i thought he was trying to freak me out, but eventually i realized he really was serious lol

[~Frankie~]

yeah i've heard people tell me they can just block it out, but how? and what exactly happens when you see them, this guy once told me they try to talk to him, i thought he was trying to freak me out, but eventually i realized he really was serious lol

To block them I just put up my "wall" it's basically like the ignore feature on a message board! LOL

When I see them it's usually like watching a projection it's faded and fuzzy they usually show me things to explain things. Sometimes they talk. Depends on the spirit really. People hate coming to my house or driving in my car because we have a few practical jokers so they'll do stupid things to freak people out....shit disturbers! LOL

[Fast Eddie]

Scientists Unveil Missing Link In Evolution

10:16pm UK, Wednesday May 20, 2009
Alex Watts, Sky News Online
Scientists have unveiled a 47-million-year-old fossilised skeleton of a monkey hailed as the missing link in human evolution.


This 95%-complete 'lemur monkey' is described as the "eighth wonder of the world"
The search for a direct connection between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom has taken 200 years - but it was presented to the world today at a special news conference in New York.
The discovery of the 95%-complete 'lemur monkey' - dubbed Ida - is described by experts as the "eighth wonder of the world".
They say its impact on the world of palaeontology will be "somewhat like an asteroid falling down to Earth".
Researchers say proof of this transitional species finally confirms Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, and the then radical, outlandish ideas he came up with during his time aboard the Beagle.
Sir David Attenborough said Darwin "would have been thrilled" to have seen the fossil - and says it tells us who we are and where we came from.
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"This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of the mammals," he said.
"This is the one that connects us directly with them.
"Now people can say 'okay we are primates, show us the link'.
"The link they would have said up to now is missing - well it's no longer missing."
A team of the world's leading fossil experts, led by Professor Jorn Hurum, of Norway's National History Museum, have been secretly researching the 1ft 9in-tall young female monkey for the past two years.
And now it has been transported to New York under high security and unveiled to the world during the bicentenary of Darwin's birth.

Darwin caused storm with his theory
Later this month, it will be exhibited for one day only at the Natural History Museum in London before being returned to Oslo.
Scientists say Ida - squashed to the thickness of a beer mat by the immense passage of time - is the most complete primate fossil ever found.
With her human-like nails instead of claws, and opposable big toes, she is placed at the very root of human evolution when early primates first developed features that would eventually develop into our own.
Another important discovery is the shape of the talus bone in her foot, which humans still have in their feet millions of lifetimes later.
Ida was unearthed by an amateur fossil-hunter some 25 years ago in Messel pit, an ancient crater lake near Frankfurt, Germany, famous for its fossils.
This fossil is really a part of our history; this is part of our evolution, deep, deep back into the aeons of time, 47 million years ago.
Fossil expert Professor Jorn Hurum
She was cleaned and set in polyester resin - and incredibly, was hung on a mystery German collector's wall for 20 years.
Sky News sources say the owner had no idea of the unique fossil's significance and simply admired it like a cherished Van Gogh or Picasso painting.
But in 2006, Ida came into the hands of private dealer Thomas Perner, who presented her to Prof Hurum at the annual Hamburg Fossil and Mineral Fair in Germany - a centre for the murky world of fossil-trading.
Prof Hurum said when he first saw the blueprint for evolution - the "most beautiful fossil worldwide" - he could not sleep for two days.
A home movie records the dramatic moment.
"This is really something that the world has never seen before, this is a unique specimen, totally unique," he says, clearly emotional.

X-ray of Ida's badly fractured left wrist
He says he knew she should be saved for science rather than end up hidden from the world in a wealthy private collector's vault.
But the dealer's asking price was more than $1 million (£660,000) - ten times the amount even the rarest of fossils fetch on the black market.
Eventually, after six months of negotiations, he managed to raise the cash in Norway and brought Ida to Oslo.
Attenborough: The Link Is No Longer Missing

Prof Hurum - who last summer dug up the fossil remains of a 50ft marine monster called Predator X from the permafrost on Svalbard, a Norwegian island close to the North Pole - then assembled a "dream team" of experts who worked in secret for two years.
They included palaeontologist Dr Jens Franzen, Dr Holly Smith, of the University of Michigan, and Philip Gingerich, president-elect of the US Paleontological Society.
Researchers could prove the fossil was genuine through X-rays, knowing it is impossible to fake the inner structure of a bone.
Through radiometric dating of Messel's volcanic rocks, they discovered Ida lived 47 million years ago in the Eocene period.
This was when tropical forests stretched right to the poles, and South America was still drifting and had yet to make contact with North America.
During that period, the first whales, horses, bats and monkeys emerged, and the early primates branched into two groups - one group lived on mainly as lemurs, and the second developed into monkeys, apes and humans.
The experts concluded Ida was not simply a lemur but a 'lemur monkey', displaying a mixture of both groups, and therefore putting her at the very branch of the human line.
This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of the mammals. This is the one that connects us directly with them.
Sir David Attenborough
"When Darwin published his On the Origin of Species in 1859, he said a lot about transitional species," said Prof Hurum
"...and he said that will never be found, a transitional species, and his whole theory will be wrong, so he would be really happy to live today when we publish Ida.
"This fossil is really a part of our history; this is part of our evolution, deep, deep back into the aeons of time, 47 million years ago.
"It's part of our evolution that's been hidden so far, it's been hidden because all the other specimens are so incomplete.
"They are so broken there's almost nothing to study and now this wonderful fossil appears and it makes the story so much easier to tell, so it's really a dream come true."
Up until now, the most famous fossil primate in the world has been Lucy, a 3.18-million-year-old hominid found in Ethiopia in 1974.
She was then our earliest known ancestor, and only 40% complete.
Descended from the apes! My dear, let us hope that it is not true, but if it is, let us pray that it will not become generally known.
Bishop of Worcester's wife to Charles Darwin
But at 95% complete, Ida was so well preserved in the mud at the bottom of the volcanic lake, there is even evidence of her fur shadow and remains of her last meal.
From this they concluded she was a leaf and fruit eater, and probably lived in the trees around the lake.
The absence of a bacculum (penis bone) confirmed she was female, and her milk teeth put her age at about nine-months-old - in maturity, equivalent to a six-year-old human child.
This was the same age as Prof Hurum's daughter Ida, and he named the fossil after her.
The study is being published and put online by the Public Library of Science, a leading academic journal with offices in Britain and the US.

Dr Hurum also found Predator X
Co-author of the scientific paper, Prof Gingerich, likens its importance to the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, an ancient Egyptian artefact found in 1799, which allowed us to decipher hieroglyphic writing.
One clue to Ida's fate - and her remarkable preservation as our oldest ancestor - was her badly fractured left wrist.
The team believes this stopped her from climbing and she had to emerge from the trees to drink water from the 250-metre-deep lake.
They think she was overcome by carbon dioxide gas from the crater, and sunk to the bottom where she was preserved in the mud as a time capsule - and a snapshot of evolution.
But amazingly this final piece of Darwin's jigsaw was almost lost to science when German authorities tried to turn Messel into a massive landfill rubbish dump.
Eventually, after campaigning by Dr Franzen, the plans were rejected and the fossil-rich lake was designated a World Heritage Site.
But no doubt there would have been one person happy for the missing link to have remained hidden.
When Darwin famously told the Bishop of Worcester's wife about his theory of evolution, she remarked: "Descended from the apes! My dear, let us hope that it is not true, but if it is, let us pray that it will not become generally known."
Now, it certainly is.

[Cochise™]

Never saw this thread, good thing too, religion convos make me want to blow my brains out. I believe all religions should be destroyed like the millions upon millions of lifes it has destroyed throughout humanity. I grew up Roman Catholic, and Catholics are the biggest hypocrites in the business of religion. But they can all go away just the same.

[Miss Russia]

To block them I just put up my "wall" it's basically like the ignore feature on a message board! LOL

When I see them it's usually like watching a projection it's faded and fuzzy they usually show me things to explain things. Sometimes they talk. Depends on the spirit really. People hate coming to my house or driving in my car because we have a few practical jokers so they'll do stupid things to freak people out....shit disturbers! LOL

that's crazy... yeah when my mother saw one in our house she said it was shaped like a person but couldn't see features, just kinda dark... but i wouldn't wanna be in your car either missy lol but my mother's friend's house was beyond disturbing, phone calls with caller ID showing it's coming from downstairs and there's noone there lol or doors taken off hinges lol her dog used to bark at nothing all the time, it was like a damn horror film, she eventually moved out lol

[ArGroxwel]

uhm... wat happened here? lol